Lian Zhen in the Children Palace: What Kind of Elder You Are

Lian Zhen in the Children Palace means your feelings for the next generation run deep, with strong principles and expectations: you love hard and discipline firmly.

Raising and relating

People with Lian Zhen here have a relationship with the young ones full of tension: very close when things are good, and fierce when they clash. The lesson is emotional intensity; when guiding them, keep principles and emotions apart.

You and the next generation: the Life and Children Palaces

With Lian Zhen in the Children Palace, the Life Palace always holds Tian Tong: you are easygoing and go with the flow, yet with the next generation you are especially principled and emotional.

This is built into the chart: counting three palaces forward from Lian Zhen always lands on Tian Tong, and the Life Palace always sits three palaces forward from the Children Palace. Further reading: Tian Tong in the Life Palace.

Partner and next generation

With Lian Zhen in the Children Palace, the Spouse Palace star is not fixed; the table below lists it for each branch.

With Lian Zhen in the Children Palace, the Parents Palace always holds Wu Qu and the Friends Palace always holds Zi Wei. Zi Wei, Lian Zhen and Wu Qu always form a trine. The Property Palace star is not fixed.

Bright and fallen positions

When bright, you have principle and drive, a source of strength for the next generation. When fallen, your emotions swing a lot and you easily butt heads with the young ones. Brightness by branch, from the table of the Complete Book this site uses: Exalted: Yin, Shen; Fair: Chou, Chen, Wei, Xu; Neutral: Zi, Mao, Wu, You; Fallen: Si, Hai.

Opposite the Children Palace is the Property Palace (the Children–Property axis: the next generation and home pull on each other), and its trine is the Parents and Friends Palaces. The table shows the major stars of the Property, Life, Spouse, Parents and Friends Palaces for each of the twelve branches Lian Zhen can occupy in the Children Palace.

Children Palace inBrightnessShares the palace withOpposite (Property)Your Life PalaceSpouseParentsFriends
YinExaltedaloneTan LangTian Tongempty palaceWu Qu and Tian FuZi Wei and Tian Xiang
MaoNeutralPo JunTian XiangTian Tong and Tai Yinempty palaceWu Qu and Tan LangZi Wei and Qi Sha
ChenFairTian FuQi ShaTian Tong and Ju MenTai YinWu Qu and Tian XiangZi Wei
SiFallenTan Langempty palaceTian Tong and Tian LiangJu MenWu Qu and Qi ShaZi Wei and Po Jun
WuNeutralTian XiangPo JunTian TongTian LiangWu QuZi Wei and Tian Fu
WeiFairQi ShaTian FuTian Tongempty palaceWu Qu and Po JunZi Wei and Tan Lang
ShenExaltedaloneTan LangTian Tongempty palaceWu Qu and Tian FuZi Wei and Tian Xiang
YouNeutralPo JunTian XiangTian Tong and Tai Yinempty palaceWu Qu and Tan LangZi Wei and Qi Sha
XuFairTian FuQi ShaTian Tong and Ju MenTai YinWu Qu and Tian XiangZi Wei
HaiFallenTan Langempty palaceTian Tong and Tian LiangJu MenWu Qu and Qi ShaZi Wei and Po Jun
ZiNeutralTian XiangPo JunTian TongTian LiangWu QuZi Wei and Tian Fu
ChouFairQi ShaTian FuTian Tongempty palaceWu Qu and Po JunZi Wei and Tan Lang

"Empty palace" means the palace has none of the fourteen major stars; in that case you read it through the stars of the opposite palace.

The six combinations

Lian Zhen with Tian Xiang (Zi or Wu)

Zi: Lian Zhen neutral, Tian Xiang exalted; Wu: Lian Zhen neutral, Tian Xiang exalted. Opposite Property: Po Jun; Life: Tian Tong; Spouse: Tian Liang. About 17.0% of charts with Lian Zhen in the Children Palace fall into this group.

Big on principle and rules, you want the next generation to be upright and know their place. Watch for Tian Xiang being squeezed between a punishment star and a Ji: the relationship can be pulled around by outside events. Further reading: Tian Xiang in the Children Palace.

Lian Zhen with Qi Sha (Chou or Wei)

Chou: Lian Zhen fair, Qi Sha exalted; Wei: Lian Zhen fair, Qi Sha exalted. Opposite Property: Tian Fu; Life: Tian Tong; Spouse: empty palace. About 19.8% of charts with Lian Zhen in the Children Palace fall into this group.

You are strict with the next generation and expect a lot, so the relationship has tension. The old texts say Lian Zhen with Qi Sha in Chou and Wei builds wealth; the modern reading is that bringing up the young is built through long, steady effort. Further reading: Qi Sha in the Children Palace.

Lian Zhen alone, facing Tan Lang (Yin or Shen)

Yin: Lian Zhen exalted; Shen: Lian Zhen exalted. Opposite Property: Tan Lang; Life: Tian Tong; Spouse: empty palace. About 17.3% of charts with Lian Zhen in the Children Palace fall into this group.

Lian Zhen is exalted in Yin and Shen, so you are principled and set rules for the next generation; with Tan Lang in the Property Palace opposite, home is lively and changeable.

Lian Zhen with Po Jun (Mao or You)

Mao: Lian Zhen neutral, Po Jun fallen; You: Lian Zhen neutral, Po Jun fallen. Opposite Property: Tian Xiang; Life: Tian Tong and Tai Yin; Spouse: empty palace. About 14.1% of charts with Lian Zhen in the Children Palace fall into this group.

Your relationship with the next generation goes through big shifts and big emotional swings. With Hua Lu or auspicious stars, each shift tends to bring a new understanding between you. Further reading: Po Jun in the Children Palace.

Lian Zhen with Tian Fu (Chen or Xu)

Chen: Lian Zhen fair, Tian Fu exalted; Xu: Lian Zhen fair, Tian Fu exalted. Opposite Property: Qi Sha; Life: Tian Tong and Ju Men; Spouse: Tai Yin. About 15.5% of charts with Lian Zhen in the Children Palace fall into this group.

Principled and caring, shrewd and steady. This is the most stable Lian Zhen combination in the Children Palace. Further reading: Tian Fu in the Children Palace.

Lian Zhen with Tan Lang (Si or Hai)

Si: Lian Zhen fallen, Tan Lang fallen; Hai: Lian Zhen fallen, Tan Lang fallen. Opposite Property: empty palace; Life: Tian Tong and Tian Liang; Spouse: Ju Men. About 16.3% of charts with Lian Zhen in the Children Palace fall into this group.

Time with the next generation is lively and full of character, with strong feelings and moods. Both stars are fallen in Si and Hai, so boundaries and moderation are the key. Further reading: Tan Lang in the Children Palace.

Birth-year transformations in the Children Palace

Getting along

When emotions rise, pause; talk about principles once you are calm.

About 42.1% of charts with Lian Zhen in the Children Palace also have at least one of the six Sha stars in that palace, about the same as the 42.4% across all charts. Malefic stars in the Children Palace usually show up as more friction and more worry with the next generation, which calls for more talking things through; they do not mean a bad relationship.

What our sample shows

8.3%of charts have Lian Zhen in the Children Palace (alone or with another major star)
19.8%of those fall into the most common group: Lian Zhen with Qi Sha
20.2%of those have a birth-year transformation on Lian Zhen itself
42.1%of those also have a Sha star in the Children Palace

How we counted: this site’s engine cast one Zi Wei chart for every day from 1960 to 2005 (birth hour drawn by a fixed-seed random sample), 16,802 charts in all. These figures describe how chart structures are distributed; they do not measure anyone’s chances of having children or what their children achieve.

Other major stars in the Children Palace

Zi Wei in the Children Palacethe Emperor Star in the Children Palace Tian Ji in the Children PalaceSpouse Palace always holds Zi Wei Tai Yang in the Children PalaceLife Palace always holds Zi Wei Wu Qu in the Children PalaceLife: Tian Ji · Spouse: Tai Yang Tian Tong in the Children PalaceSpouse Palace always holds Wu Qu Tian Fu in the Children PalaceLife: Ju Men · Spouse: Tai Yin Tai Yin in the Children PalaceLife: Tian Xiang · Spouse: Tan Lang Tan Lang in the Children PalaceLife: Tian Liang · Spouse: Ju Men Ju Men in the Children PalaceLife: Qi Sha · Spouse: Tian Xiang Tian Xiang in the Children PalaceSpouse Palace always holds Tian Liang Tian Liang in the Children PalaceSpouse Palace always holds Qi Sha Qi Sha in the Children Palacethe Marshal Star in the Children Palace Po Jun in the Children PalaceLife Palace always holds Tai Yin

A straight word: the Children Palace is about how you relate to the next generation, not whether you will have children

The Children Palace describes your attitude, your style of raising and guiding, and what you pass on when you deal with children, younger relatives, students or team members. It cannot tell you whether you will have children, how many, or whether they will be boys or girls, and it cannot judge a child's wellbeing or achievements. Classical phrases such as "harming the children" or "late offspring" are not used on this site. Questions about having children or about health belong with a medical professional. Everything on this site is for reference and entertainment only.

Find out which star sits in your Children Palace

Enter your date of birth and birth time to cast your chart, then tap the Children Palace to see its major stars, transformations and four-way set.

Lian Zhen in the Children Palace: FAQ

Why is Tian Tong always in the Life Palace when Lian Zhen is in the Children Palace?

It follows from how the stars are placed. Counting three palaces forward from Lian Zhen always lands on Tian Tong, and the Life Palace always sits three palaces forward from the Children Palace. So whenever Lian Zhen is in the Children Palace, Tian Tong is always in the Life Palace.

How common is Lian Zhen in the Children Palace?

Across the 16,802 charts in our sample, about 8.3% have Lian Zhen in the Children Palace (alone or sharing it with another major star). Each of the fourteen major stars lands in the Children Palace roughly 8–9% of the time.