Ju Men in the Children Palace: What Kind of Elder You Are

Ju Men in the Children Palace means a lot of talk between you and the next generation: plenty of discussion, plenty of questions, and often disagreement.

Raising and relating

People with Ju Men here value reasoning and communication and explain things very clearly. The lesson is saying too much and being too critical, so the young ones can feel judged.

• Parenting style: Big on reasoning and communication; lots of discussion and clear expectations.
• With younger people and your team: With students and team members you correct them frankly, the strict-teacher type.
• What you create and pass on: What you pass on is a habit of critical thinking and real expertise.

You and the next generation: the Life and Children Palaces

With Ju Men in the Children Palace, the Life Palace always holds Qi Sha: you are driven and ready to fight for things, and with the next generation you talk a lot and like to reason things out.

This is built into the chart: counting three palaces forward from Ju Men always lands on Qi Sha, and the Life Palace always sits three palaces forward from the Children Palace. Further reading: Qi Sha in the Life Palace.

Partner and next generation

Counting one palace forward from Ju Men always lands on Tian Xiang, and the Spouse Palace always sits one palace forward from the Children Palace, so with Ju Men in the Children Palace the Spouse Palace always holds Tian Xiang: the shape of your partnership is often also the way the two of you face the next generation together. Further reading: Tian Xiang in the Spouse Palace.

With Ju Men in the Children Palace, none of the Parents, Friends or Property Palace stars is fixed.

Bright and fallen positions

When bright, conversations go deep and the next generation thinks well. When fallen, there is a lot of arguing and misunderstandings come easily. Brightness by branch, from the table of the Complete Book this site uses: Exalted: Yin, Mao, Shen, You; Strong: Zi, Si, Wu, Hai; Weak: Chou, Wei; Fallen: Chen, Xu.

Opposite the Children Palace is the Property Palace (the Children–Property axis: the next generation and home pull on each other), and its trine is the Parents and Friends Palaces. The table shows the major stars of the Property, Life, Spouse, Parents and Friends Palaces for each of the twelve branches Ju Men can occupy in the Children Palace.

"Empty palace" means the palace has none of the fourteen major stars; in that case you read it through the stars of the opposite palace.

The six combinations

Ju Men alone, facing Tian Ji (Zi or Wu)

Zi: Ju Men strong; Wu: Ju Men strong. Opposite Property: Tian Ji; Life: Wu Qu and Qi Sha; Spouse: Tian Xiang. About 16.9% of charts with Ju Men in the Children Palace fall into this group.

There is a lot of discussion and a lot of questions with the next generation; with Tian Ji in the Property Palace opposite, home keeps being adjusted and often rings with lively conversation.

Tian Tong with Ju Men (Chou or Wei)

Chou: Ju Men weak, Tian Tong weak; Wei: Ju Men weak, Tian Tong weak. Opposite Property: empty palace; Life: Qi Sha; Spouse: Wu Qu and Tian Xiang. About 15.0% of charts with Ju Men in the Children Palace fall into this group.

You want to get on well with the next generation, yet small frictions keep coming up that are hard to put into words. Say what you mean, and do not let grievances pile up. Further reading: Tian Tong in the Children Palace.

Tai Yang with Ju Men (Yin or Shen)

Yin: Ju Men exalted, Tai Yang strong; Shen: Ju Men exalted, Tai Yang favorable. Opposite Property: empty palace; Life: Zi Wei and Qi Sha; Spouse: Tian Xiang. About 16.0% of charts with Ju Men in the Children Palace fall into this group.

You talk a lot and interact a lot with the next generation, valuing both reason and expression. In Yin, Tai Yang is strong and communication is open; in Shen, watch for arguments and misunderstandings. Further reading: Tai Yang in the Children Palace.

Tian Ji with Ju Men (Mao or You)

Mao: Ju Men exalted, Tian Ji strong; You: Ju Men exalted, Tian Ji strong. Opposite Property: empty palace; Life: Qi Sha; Spouse: Zi Wei and Tian Xiang. About 17.2% of charts with Ju Men in the Children Palace fall into this group.

There is a lot of discussion and a lot of questions between you and the next generation; you like to reason things out and can be picky. Let them finish what they are saying. Further reading: Tian Ji in the Children Palace.

Ju Men alone, facing Tian Tong (Chen or Xu)

Chen: Ju Men fallen; Xu: Ju Men fallen. Opposite Property: Tian Tong; Life: Lian Zhen and Qi Sha; Spouse: Tian Xiang. About 16.6% of charts with Ju Men in the Children Palace fall into this group.

Ju Men is fallen in Chen and Xu, so there are more arguments with the next generation; with Tian Tong in the Property Palace opposite, home is gentle and acts as a buffer.

Ju Men alone, facing Tai Yang (Si or Hai)

Si: Ju Men strong; Hai: Ju Men strong. Opposite Property: Tai Yang; Life: Qi Sha; Spouse: Lian Zhen and Tian Xiang. About 18.3% of charts with Ju Men in the Children Palace fall into this group.

You talk a lot with the next generation. With the Children Palace in Hai, Tai Yang opposite in Si is strong, home is cheerful and there is little bickering; in Si, Tai Yang opposite is fallen and misunderstandings between home and the young ones come more easily.

Birth-year transformations in the Children Palace

• Ju Men with Hua Lu (born in a Xin year): People born in a Xin year have Ju Men Hua Lu in the Children Palace: talking with the next generation goes smoothly, and your reasoning actually gets through. In our sample, about 12.2% of charts with Ju Men in the Children Palace carry the birth-year Hua Lu.
• Ju Men with Hua Quan (born in a Gui year): People born in a Gui year have Ju Men Hua Quan in the Children Palace: your words carry weight, and the next generation trusts your judgement. In our sample, about 9.7% of charts with Ju Men in the Children Palace carry the birth-year Hua Quan.
• Ju Men with Hua Ji (born in a Ding year): People born in a Ding year have Ju Men Hua Ji in the Children Palace: arguments and misunderstandings with the next generation come easily. Hear them out before you speak. In our sample, about 8.5% of charts with Ju Men in the Children Palace carry the birth-year Hua Ji.

Getting along

Ask "what do you think?" more, and say "you should" less.

About 41.9% of charts with Ju Men in the Children Palace also have at least one of the six Sha stars in that palace, about the same as the 42.4% across all charts. Malefic stars in the Children Palace usually show up as more friction and more worry with the next generation, which calls for more talking things through; they do not mean a bad relationship.

What our sample shows

How we counted: this site’s engine cast one Zi Wei chart for every day from 1960 to 2005 (birth hour drawn by a fixed-seed random sample), 16,802 charts in all. These figures describe how chart structures are distributed; they do not measure anyone’s chances of having children or what their children achieve.

Other major stars in the Children Palace