Qi Sha in the Children Palace: What Kind of Elder You Are
Qi Sha in the Children Palace means your approach to the next generation leans towards toughening them up: you want them independent, resilient and able to make their own way.
Raising and relating
People with Qi Sha here have a direct, forceful relationship with the young ones, and clashes are common. The old texts say Qi Sha in this palace favours "late and few"; this site makes no judgement about numbers or timing. The modern reading: you need to learn to express your expectations in a way the next generation can actually take in.
- Parenting style: Big on independence and toughening up; direct and forceful.
- With younger people and your team: With students and team members you are strict and glad to give them challenges.
- What you create and pass on: What you pass on is resilience and a pioneering spirit.
You and the next generation: the Life and Children Palaces
With Qi Sha in the Children Palace, the Life Palace star is not fixed: it can be Tian Tong, Tai Yang or Tian Ji, or the Life Palace can be empty.
With Qi Sha in the Children Palace, the Life Palace star changes with the branch; the table below lists it for each one.
Partner and next generation
With Qi Sha in the Children Palace, the Spouse Palace star is not fixed; the table below lists it for each branch.
With Qi Sha in the Children Palace, the Property Palace always holds Tian Fu, the Parents Palace always holds Po Jun and the Friends Palace always holds Tan Lang: you train the next generation hard, while home stays steady.
Bright and fallen positions
Qi Sha is bright in most positions here: you raise an independent, responsible next generation. Qi Sha is never fallen; sharing the palace with Zi Wei, your urge to take charge of the next generation is even stronger. Brightness by branch, from the table of the Complete Book this site uses: Exalted: Chou, Yin, Chen, Wei, Shen, Xu; Strong: Zi, Mao, Wu, You; Neutral: Si, Hai.
Opposite the Children Palace is the Property Palace (the Children–Property axis: the next generation and home pull on each other), and its trine is the Parents and Friends Palaces. The table shows the major stars of the Property, Life, Spouse, Parents and Friends Palaces for each of the twelve branches Qi Sha can occupy in the Children Palace.
| Children Palace in | Brightness | Shares the palace with | Opposite (Property) | Your Life Palace | Spouse | Parents | Friends |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Yin | Exalted | alone | Zi Wei and Tian Fu | Tai Yang | Tian Tong | Po Jun | Tan Lang |
| Mao | Strong | Wu Qu | Tian Fu | Tian Ji | Tai Yang | Zi Wei and Po Jun | Lian Zhen and Tan Lang |
| Chen | Exalted | alone | Lian Zhen and Tian Fu | empty palace | Tian Ji | Po Jun | Tan Lang |
| Si | Neutral | Zi Wei | Tian Fu | empty palace | empty palace | Lian Zhen and Po Jun | Wu Qu and Tan Lang |
| Wu | Strong | alone | Wu Qu and Tian Fu | empty palace | empty palace | Po Jun | Tan Lang |
| Wei | Exalted | Lian Zhen | Tian Fu | Tian Tong | empty palace | Wu Qu and Po Jun | Zi Wei and Tan Lang |
| Shen | Exalted | alone | Zi Wei and Tian Fu | Tai Yang | Tian Tong | Po Jun | Tan Lang |
| You | Strong | Wu Qu | Tian Fu | Tian Ji | Tai Yang | Zi Wei and Po Jun | Lian Zhen and Tan Lang |
| Xu | Exalted | alone | Lian Zhen and Tian Fu | empty palace | Tian Ji | Po Jun | Tan Lang |
| Hai | Neutral | Zi Wei | Tian Fu | empty palace | empty palace | Lian Zhen and Po Jun | Wu Qu and Tan Lang |
| Zi | Strong | alone | Wu Qu and Tian Fu | empty palace | empty palace | Po Jun | Tan Lang |
| Chou | Exalted | Lian Zhen | Tian Fu | Tian Tong | empty palace | Wu Qu and Po Jun | Zi Wei and Tan Lang |
"Empty palace" means the palace has none of the fourteen major stars; in that case you read it through the stars of the opposite palace.
The six combinations
Qi Sha alone, facing Wu Qu and Tian Fu (Zi or Wu)
Zi: Qi Sha strong; Wu: Qi Sha strong. Opposite Property: Wu Qu and Tian Fu; Life: empty palace; Spouse: empty palace. About 16.5% of charts with Qi Sha in the Children Palace fall into this group.
You train the next generation hard; with Wu Qu and Tian Fu in the Property Palace opposite, home is steady with strong savings.
Lian Zhen with Qi Sha (Chou or Wei)
Chou: Qi Sha exalted, Lian Zhen fair; Wei: Qi Sha exalted, Lian Zhen fair. Opposite Property: Tian Fu; Life: Tian Tong; Spouse: empty palace. About 19.2% of charts with Qi Sha in the Children Palace fall into this group.
You are strict with the next generation and expect a lot, so the relationship has tension. The old texts say Lian Zhen with Qi Sha in Chou and Wei builds wealth; the modern reading is that bringing up the young is built through long, steady effort. Further reading: Lian Zhen in the Children Palace.
Qi Sha alone, facing Zi Wei and Tian Fu (Yin or Shen)
Yin: Qi Sha exalted; Shen: Qi Sha exalted. Opposite Property: Zi Wei and Tian Fu; Life: Tai Yang; Spouse: Tian Tong. About 16.2% of charts with Qi Sha in the Children Palace fall into this group.
Qi Sha is exalted in Yin and Shen, so you raise an independent next generation; with Zi Wei and Tian Fu in the Property Palace opposite, home has presence and values security.
Wu Qu with Qi Sha (Mao or You)
Mao: Qi Sha strong, Wu Qu fair; You: Qi Sha strong, Wu Qu fair. Opposite Property: Tian Fu; Life: Tian Ji; Spouse: Tai Yang. About 17.9% of charts with Qi Sha in the Children Palace fall into this group.
Your approach is tough and direct, big on independence and toughening up, and you easily butt heads with the next generation. A little more appreciation softens things a lot. Further reading: Wu Qu in the Children Palace.
Qi Sha alone, facing Lian Zhen and Tian Fu (Chen or Xu)
Chen: Qi Sha exalted; Xu: Qi Sha exalted. Opposite Property: Lian Zhen and Tian Fu; Life: empty palace; Spouse: Tian Ji. About 14.1% of charts with Qi Sha in the Children Palace fall into this group.
Qi Sha is exalted in Chen and Xu, so you are direct in what you ask of the next generation; with Lian Zhen and Tian Fu in the Property Palace opposite, home is shrewd and good at keeping what it has.
Zi Wei with Qi Sha (Si or Hai)
Si: Qi Sha neutral, Zi Wei strong; Hai: Qi Sha neutral, Zi Wei strong. Opposite Property: Tian Fu; Life: empty palace; Spouse: empty palace. About 16.1% of charts with Qi Sha in the Children Palace fall into this group.
You have a strong urge to take charge of the next generation and want them independent and successful. The relationship has force; be careful not to hold the reins too tight. Further reading: Zi Wei in the Children Palace.
Birth-year transformations in the Children Palace
Under the Four Transformations table of the Complete Book of Zi Wei Dou Shu, Qi Sha never transforms, so Qi Sha in the Children Palace never carries a birth-year Hua Lu, Hua Quan, Hua Ke or Hua Ji of its own. For transformations in how you relate to the next generation, look at any other star sharing the palace, at Lu Cun, and at the Property Palace opposite.
Getting along
Beyond toughening them up, let the next generation know you are on their side.
About 44.4% of charts with Qi Sha in the Children Palace also have at least one of the six Sha stars in that palace, about the same as the 42.4% across all charts. Malefic stars in the Children Palace usually show up as more friction and more worry with the next generation, which calls for more talking things through; they do not mean a bad relationship.
What our sample shows
How we counted: this site’s engine cast one Zi Wei chart for every day from 1960 to 2005 (birth hour drawn by a fixed-seed random sample), 16,802 charts in all. These figures describe how chart structures are distributed; they do not measure anyone’s chances of having children or what their children achieve.
Other major stars in the Children Palace
A straight word: the Children Palace is about how you relate to the next generation, not whether you will have children
The Children Palace describes your attitude, your style of raising and guiding, and what you pass on when you deal with children, younger relatives, students or team members. It cannot tell you whether you will have children, how many, or whether they will be boys or girls, and it cannot judge a child's wellbeing or achievements. Classical phrases such as "harming the children" or "late offspring" are not used on this site. Questions about having children or about health belong with a medical professional. Everything on this site is for reference and entertainment only.
Find out which star sits in your Children Palace
Enter your date of birth and birth time to cast your chart, then tap the Children Palace to see its major stars, transformations and four-way set.
Qi Sha in the Children Palace: FAQ
Does Qi Sha in the Children Palace mean a poor relationship with my children?
Qi Sha here means a direct, forceful relationship where clashes come easily; that is not the same as a poor relationship. We do not predict whether you will have children, how many or when, only tendencies in how you relate.
How common is Qi Sha in the Children Palace?
Across the 16,802 charts in our sample, about 8.6% have Qi Sha in the Children Palace (alone or sharing it with another major star). Each of the fourteen major stars lands in the Children Palace roughly 8–9% of the time.