Tian Ji in the Children Palace: What Kind of Elder You Are

Tian Ji in the Children Palace means you relate to the next generation through talking and sparking ideas: you like teaching them how to think and find a way, and you happily learn new things alongside them.

Raising and relating

People with Tian Ji here are the "thinking" kind of elder. The lesson is having many ideas that change fast, so your approach keeps shifting, and the sense of stability the young ones need has to be built on purpose.

• Parenting style: Big on inspiring and talking things through; you like teaching the next generation how to think.
• With younger people and your team: With students and team members you are the mentor who comes up with ideas and shows how.
• What you create and pass on: What you pass on is ideas and methods, not just tangible things.

You and the next generation: the Life and Children Palaces

With Tian Ji in the Children Palace, the Life Palace star is not fixed: it may be one of the Tian Fu group of stars, or the Life Palace may be empty.

With Tian Ji in the Children Palace, the Life Palace star changes with the branch; the table below lists it for each one.

Partner and next generation

Counting one palace forward from Tian Ji always lands on Zi Wei, and the Spouse Palace always sits one palace forward from the Children Palace, so with Tian Ji in the Children Palace the Spouse Palace always holds Zi Wei: the shape of your partnership is often also the way the two of you face the next generation together. Further reading: Zi Wei in the Spouse Palace.

With Tian Ji in the Children Palace, the Friends Palace always holds Tian Tong: friends and team members tend to be gentle and easy to get on with. The Parents and Property Palace stars are not fixed.

Bright and fallen positions

When bright, you are good at guiding, and you get on with the young like friends. When fallen, you overthink and change too fast, and the young ones find your standards hard to read. Brightness by branch, from the table of the Complete Book this site uses: Exalted: Zi, Wu; Strong: Mao, You; Favorable: Yin, Shen; Fair: Chen, Xu; Neutral: Si, Hai; Fallen: Chou, Wei.

Opposite the Children Palace is the Property Palace (the Children–Property axis: the next generation and home pull on each other), and its trine is the Parents and Friends Palaces. The table shows the major stars of the Property, Life, Spouse, Parents and Friends Palaces for each of the twelve branches Tian Ji can occupy in the Children Palace.

"Empty palace" means the palace has none of the fourteen major stars; in that case you read it through the stars of the opposite palace.

The six combinations

Tian Ji alone, facing Ju Men (Zi or Wu)

Zi: Tian Ji exalted; Wu: Tian Ji exalted. Opposite Property: Ju Men; Life: Tian Fu; Spouse: Zi Wei and Po Jun. About 17.1% of charts with Tian Ji in the Children Palace fall into this group.

Tian Ji is exalted in Zi and Wu, so you have real method in teaching the next generation; with Ju Men in the Property Palace opposite, home is full of discussion and talk.

Tian Ji alone, facing Tian Liang (Chou or Wei)

Chou: Tian Ji fallen; Wei: Tian Ji fallen. Opposite Property: Tian Liang; Life: Tan Lang; Spouse: Zi Wei and Tian Fu. About 17.5% of charts with Tian Ji in the Children Palace fall into this group.

Tian Ji is fallen in Chou and Wei, so your approach to the young tends to go back and forth; with Tian Liang in the Property Palace opposite, home is sheltered and cared for by elders.

Tian Ji with Tai Yin (Yin or Shen)

Yin: Tian Ji favorable, Tai Yin strong; Shen: Tian Ji favorable, Tai Yin fair. Opposite Property: empty palace; Life: Tian Xiang; Spouse: Zi Wei and Tan Lang. About 16.4% of charts with Tian Ji in the Children Palace fall into this group.

Attentive and a keen thinker, you often talk things over and plan with the next generation, and you look after their feelings. Your approach adjusts as you go. Further reading: Tai Yin in the Children Palace.

Tian Ji with Ju Men (Mao or You)

Mao: Tian Ji strong, Ju Men exalted; You: Tian Ji strong, Ju Men exalted. Opposite Property: empty palace; Life: Qi Sha; Spouse: Zi Wei and Tian Xiang. About 17.0% of charts with Tian Ji in the Children Palace fall into this group.

There is a lot of discussion and a lot of questions between you and the next generation; you like to reason things out and can be picky. Let them finish what they are saying. Further reading: Ju Men in the Children Palace.

Tian Ji with Tian Liang (Chen or Xu)

Chen: Tian Ji fair, Tian Liang exalted; Xu: Tian Ji fair, Tian Liang exalted. Opposite Property: empty palace; Life: empty palace; Spouse: Zi Wei and Qi Sha. About 15.7% of charts with Tian Ji in the Children Palace fall into this group.

Like a teacher, you show the next generation how to think things through and reason them out; an elder with plenty of good ideas. Further reading: Tian Liang in the Children Palace.

Tian Ji alone, facing Tai Yin (Si or Hai)

Si: Tian Ji neutral; Hai: Tian Ji neutral. Opposite Property: Tai Yin; Life: Po Jun; Spouse: Zi Wei. About 16.2% of charts with Tian Ji in the Children Palace fall into this group.

You talk things through with the next generation and keep adjusting; with Tai Yin in the Property Palace opposite, home is gentle, attentive and good at building things up.

Birth-year transformations in the Children Palace

• Tian Ji with Hua Lu (born in a Yi year): People born in a Yi year have Tian Ji Hua Lu in the Children Palace: talking with the next generation flows easily, and teaching them teaches you too. In our sample, about 9.8% of charts with Tian Ji in the Children Palace carry the birth-year Hua Lu.
• Tian Ji with Hua Quan (born in a Bing year): People born in a Bing year have Tian Ji Hua Quan in the Children Palace: you have firm ideas about how the next generation should plan their lives. In our sample, about 10.0% of charts with Tian Ji in the Children Palace carry the birth-year Hua Quan.
• Tian Ji with Hua Ke (born in a Ding year): People born in a Ding year have Tian Ji Hua Ke in the Children Palace: you are good at teaching, well suited to being a teacher or mentor. In our sample, about 9.0% of charts with Tian Ji in the Children Palace carry the birth-year Hua Ke.
• Tian Ji with Hua Ji (born in a Wu year): People born in a Wu year have Tian Ji Hua Ji in the Children Palace: you tend to overthink and over-worry about the next generation. Trust their judgement. In our sample, about 8.8% of charts with Tian Ji in the Children Palace carry the birth-year Hua Ji.

Getting along

Plan as much as you like, but keep the rules you give the next generation steady.

About 43.1% of charts with Tian Ji in the Children Palace also have at least one of the six Sha stars in that palace, about the same as the 42.4% across all charts. Malefic stars in the Children Palace usually show up as more friction and more worry with the next generation, which calls for more talking things through; they do not mean a bad relationship.

What our sample shows

How we counted: this site’s engine cast one Zi Wei chart for every day from 1960 to 2005 (birth hour drawn by a fixed-seed random sample), 16,802 charts in all. These figures describe how chart structures are distributed; they do not measure anyone’s chances of having children or what their children achieve.

Other major stars in the Children Palace