Ju Men in the Parents Palace: You and the Generation Above

Ju Men in the Parents Palace means there is a lot of talk between you and your parents or elders: discussion, lectures, and also arguments and misunderstandings.

Parents, elders and bosses

People with Ju Men here learn critical thinking and how to express themselves from their elders, and they also tend to disagree with bosses and teachers. The lesson is how you communicate: hear the other person out before you answer, and things go much more smoothly.

• With your parents: Parents who like to reason things out and want things clear.
• Elders, bosses and teachers: Bosses and teachers who speak bluntly and set high standards.
• Rules and authority: You question authority and need to be persuaded.

You and the generation above: the Life and Parents Palaces

With Ju Men in the Parents Palace, the Life Palace always holds Tan Lang: you are outgoing and sociable, while the generation above you likes to reason things out and wants things clear.

This is built into the chart: counting one palace backward from Ju Men always lands on Tan Lang, and the Life Palace always sits one palace backward from the Parents Palace. Further reading: Tan Lang in the Life Palace.

Parents and Mind: upbringing and inner life

Counting one palace forward from Ju Men always lands on Tian Xiang, and the Mind Palace always sits one palace forward from the Parents Palace, so with Ju Men in the Parents Palace the Mind Palace always holds Tian Xiang: the setting and upbringing your elders gave you tends to leave a lasting tint on your inner life. Further reading: Tian Xiang in the Mind Palace.

With Ju Men in the Parents Palace, neither the Children Palace star nor the Friends Palace star is fixed.

Bright and fallen positions

When bright, elders reason clearly and teach you how to think. When fallen, words with elders get heated and misunderstandings come easily. Brightness by branch, from the table of the Complete Book this site uses: Exalted: Yin, Mao, Shen, You; Strong: Zi, Si, Wu, Hai; Weak: Chou, Wei; Fallen: Chen, Xu.

The Parents Palace forms a trine with the Children and Friends Palaces (the generation above, the generation below, and friends and team members read as one group), and it sits between the Life Palace and the Mind Palace. Opposite is the Health Palace; we only read it as the star shining into the Parents Palace and make no health readings. The table shows, for each of the twelve branches Ju Men can occupy in the Parents Palace, the star shining in from opposite and the major stars of the Life, Mind, Children and Friends Palaces.

"Empty palace" means the palace has none of the fourteen major stars; in that case you read it through the stars of the opposite palace.

The six combinations

Ju Men alone, facing Tian Ji (Zi or Wu)

Zi: Ju Men strong; Wu: Ju Men strong. Shining in from opposite: Tian Ji; Life: Lian Zhen and Tan Lang; Mind: Tian Xiang. About 17.3% of charts with Ju Men in the Parents Palace fall into this group.

Ju Men sits alone with Tian Ji shining in from opposite: elders love to reason and think fast, and home is full of lively conversation.

Tian Tong with Ju Men (Chou or Wei)

Chou: Ju Men weak, Tian Tong weak; Wei: Ju Men weak, Tian Tong weak. Shining in from opposite: empty palace; Life: Tan Lang; Mind: Wu Qu and Tian Xiang. About 14.8% of charts with Ju Men in the Parents Palace fall into this group.

You want to get on well with elders, yet small frictions keep coming up that are hard to put into words. Say what you mean, and do not let grievances pile up. Further reading: Tian Tong in the Parents Palace.

Tai Yang with Ju Men (Yin or Shen)

Yin: Ju Men exalted, Tai Yang strong; Shen: Ju Men exalted, Tai Yang favorable. Shining in from opposite: empty palace; Life: Wu Qu and Tan Lang; Mind: Tian Xiang. About 15.9% of charts with Ju Men in the Parents Palace fall into this group.

Elders talk a lot, reason things out and care about their good name. In Yin, Tai Yang is strong and communication is open; in Shen, watch for arguments and misunderstandings with elders. Further reading: Tai Yang in the Parents Palace.

Tian Ji with Ju Men (Mao or You)

Mao: Ju Men exalted, Tian Ji strong; You: Ju Men exalted, Tian Ji strong. Shining in from opposite: empty palace; Life: Tan Lang; Mind: Zi Wei and Tian Xiang. About 17.0% of charts with Ju Men in the Parents Palace fall into this group.

There is a lot of discussion and reasoning with elders, and nitpicking and debate come easily. Once things are talked through, the relationship ends up on firmer ground. Further reading: Tian Ji in the Parents Palace.

Ju Men alone, facing Tian Tong (Chen or Xu)

Chen: Ju Men fallen; Xu: Ju Men fallen. Shining in from opposite: Tian Tong; Life: Zi Wei and Tan Lang; Mind: Tian Xiang. About 17.7% of charts with Ju Men in the Parents Palace fall into this group.

Ju Men is fallen in Chen and Xu, with Tian Tong shining in from opposite: there are more arguments with elders, but they are gentle at heart and things blow over once said.

Ju Men alone, facing Tai Yang (Si or Hai)

Si: Ju Men strong; Hai: Ju Men strong. Shining in from opposite: Tai Yang; Life: Tan Lang; Mind: Lian Zhen and Tian Xiang. About 17.3% of charts with Ju Men in the Parents Palace fall into this group.

Ju Men sits alone with Tai Yang shining in from opposite. With the Parents Palace in Hai, Tai Yang opposite in Si is strong: elders reason openly and there is little bickering. In Si, Tai Yang opposite is fallen and misunderstandings with elders come more easily.

Birth-year transformations in the Parents Palace

• Ju Men with Hua Lu (born in a Xin year): People born in a Xin year have Ju Men Hua Lu in the Parents Palace: talking with elders goes smoothly and things get aired. In our sample, about 10.5% of charts with Ju Men in the Parents Palace carry the birth-year Hua Lu.
• Ju Men with Hua Quan (born in a Gui year): People born in a Gui year have Ju Men Hua Quan in the Parents Palace: what elders or bosses say carries real weight. In our sample, about 12.9% of charts with Ju Men in the Parents Palace carry the birth-year Hua Quan.
• Ju Men with Hua Ji (born in a Ding year): People born in a Ding year have Ju Men Hua Ji in the Parents Palace: arguments and misunderstandings with elders come easily. Hear them out before you speak. In our sample, about 9.6% of charts with Ju Men in the Parents Palace carry the birth-year Hua Ji.

Getting along

Swap arguing for asking: "Why do you see it that way?"

About 42.7% of charts with Ju Men in the Parents Palace also have at least one of the six Sha stars in that palace, about the same as the 41.9% across all charts. Malefic stars in the Parents Palace usually show up as more friction and more differences of opinion with elders or bosses, which calls for more talking things through; they do not mean a bad relationship with your parents.

What our sample shows

How we counted: this site’s engine cast one Zi Wei chart for every day from 1960 to 2005 (birth hour drawn by a fixed-seed random sample), 16,802 charts in all. These figures describe how chart structures are distributed; they do not measure anyone’s parents' fortunes or family bonds.

Other major stars in the Parents Palace