Tian Tong in the Parents Palace: You and the Generation Above

Tian Tong in the Parents Palace means your parents or elders are gentle and tolerant; home feels relaxed and harsh discipline is rare.

Parents, elders and bosses

People with Tian Tong here are at ease with their elders, almost like friends. The lesson is that elders may be too relaxed, so the structure and direction have to come from you.

• With your parents: Gentle, tolerant parents who care most about a happy home.
• Elders, bosses and teachers: Easy-to-work-with bosses and teachers who give you room.
• Rules and authority: You are relaxed about rules, but you need to set your own discipline.

You and the generation above: the Life and Parents Palaces

With Tian Tong in the Parents Palace, the Life Palace star is not fixed: it can be Tian Fu, Tian Xiang, Qi Sha, Po Jun or Tan Lang, or the Life Palace can be empty.

With Tian Tong in the Parents Palace, the Life Palace star changes with the branch; the table below lists it for each one.

Parents and Mind: upbringing and inner life

Counting one palace forward from Tian Tong always lands on Wu Qu, and the Mind Palace always sits one palace forward from the Parents Palace, so with Tian Tong in the Parents Palace the Mind Palace always holds Wu Qu: the setting and upbringing your elders gave you tends to leave a lasting tint on your inner life. Further reading: Wu Qu in the Mind Palace.

With Tian Tong in the Parents Palace, the Friends Palace always holds Tian Ji: friends and team members tend to be bright and quick. The Children Palace star is not fixed.

Bright and fallen positions

When bright, elders are kind and the relationship is harmonious. When fallen, elders want peace so much that problems get put off rather than dealt with. Brightness by branch, from the table of the Complete Book this site uses: Exalted: Si, Hai; Strong: Zi, Shen; Fair: Yin; Neutral: Mao, Chen, You, Xu; Weak: Chou, Wei; Fallen: Wu.

The Parents Palace forms a trine with the Children and Friends Palaces (the generation above, the generation below, and friends and team members read as one group), and it sits between the Life Palace and the Mind Palace. Opposite is the Health Palace; we only read it as the star shining into the Parents Palace and make no health readings. The table shows, for each of the twelve branches Tian Tong can occupy in the Parents Palace, the star shining in from opposite and the major stars of the Life, Mind, Children and Friends Palaces.

"Empty palace" means the palace has none of the fourteen major stars; in that case you read it through the stars of the opposite palace.

The six combinations

Tian Tong with Tai Yin (Zi or Wu)

Zi: Tian Tong strong, Tai Yin exalted; Wu: Tian Tong fallen, Tai Yin weak. Shining in from opposite: empty palace; Life: Tian Fu; Mind: Wu Qu and Tan Lang. About 16.8% of charts with Tian Tong in the Parents Palace fall into this group.

Elders are gentle, attentive and around a lot. In Zi both stars are strong and the relationship is at its most settled; in Wu both are out of place, and family matters can weigh on you. Further reading: Tai Yin in the Parents Palace.

Tian Tong with Ju Men (Chou or Wei)

Chou: Tian Tong weak, Ju Men weak; Wei: Tian Tong weak, Ju Men weak. Shining in from opposite: empty palace; Life: Tan Lang; Mind: Wu Qu and Tian Xiang. About 14.9% of charts with Tian Tong in the Parents Palace fall into this group.

You want to get on well with elders, yet small frictions keep coming up that are hard to put into words. Say what you mean, and do not let grievances pile up. Further reading: Ju Men in the Parents Palace.

Tian Tong with Tian Liang (Yin or Shen)

Yin: Tian Tong fair, Tian Liang exalted; Shen: Tian Tong strong, Tian Liang fallen. Shining in from opposite: empty palace; Life: Tian Xiang; Mind: Wu Qu and Qi Sha. About 16.3% of charts with Tian Tong in the Parents Palace fall into this group.

Elders are gentle and caring, a very fortunate combination. The lesson is being looked after too well; independence is something you have to build yourself. Further reading: Tian Liang in the Parents Palace.

Tian Tong alone, facing Tai Yin (Mao or You)

Mao: Tian Tong neutral; You: Tian Tong neutral. Shining in from opposite: Tai Yin; Life: Qi Sha; Mind: Wu Qu. About 18.1% of charts with Tian Tong in the Parents Palace fall into this group.

Tian Tong sits alone with Tai Yin shining in from opposite. With the Parents Palace in Mao, Tai Yin opposite in You is strong and elders are gentle and steady; in You, Tai Yin opposite is fallen and elders tend to worry more.

Tian Tong alone, facing Ju Men (Chen or Xu)

Chen: Tian Tong neutral; Xu: Tian Tong neutral. Shining in from opposite: Ju Men; Life: empty palace; Mind: Wu Qu and Po Jun. About 16.9% of charts with Tian Tong in the Parents Palace fall into this group.

Tian Tong sits alone with Ju Men shining in from opposite: elders want harmony, yet there is often nagging and small bickering. Communication needs extra patience.

Tian Tong alone, facing Tian Liang (Si or Hai)

Si: Tian Tong exalted; Hai: Tian Tong exalted. Shining in from opposite: Tian Liang; Life: Po Jun; Mind: Wu Qu and Tian Fu. About 16.9% of charts with Tian Tong in the Parents Palace fall into this group.

Tian Tong is exalted in Si and Hai, with Tian Liang shining in from opposite: elders are gentle and caring, a very fortunate arrangement.

Birth-year transformations in the Parents Palace

• Tian Tong with Hua Lu (born in a Bing year): People born in a Bing year have Tian Tong Hua Lu in the Parents Palace: time with elders is pleasant and the relationship is warm. In our sample, about 9.6% of charts with Tian Tong in the Parents Palace carry the birth-year Hua Lu.
• Tian Tong with Hua Quan (born in a Ding year): People born in a Ding year have Tian Tong Hua Quan in the Parents Palace: gentle as your elders are, they still have firm views. In our sample, about 8.2% of charts with Tian Tong in the Parents Palace carry the birth-year Hua Quan.
• Tian Tong with Hua Ji (born in a Geng year): People born in a Geng year have Tian Tong Hua Ji in the Parents Palace: you want to get on well with elders but tend to keep things bottled up. Talk things over early. In our sample, about 11.0% of charts with Tian Tong in the Parents Palace carry the birth-year Hua Ji.

Getting along

Enjoy the room your elders give you, and set your own direction.

About 42.5% of charts with Tian Tong in the Parents Palace also have at least one of the six Sha stars in that palace, about the same as the 41.9% across all charts. Malefic stars in the Parents Palace usually show up as more friction and more differences of opinion with elders or bosses, which calls for more talking things through; they do not mean a bad relationship with your parents.

What our sample shows

How we counted: this site’s engine cast one Zi Wei chart for every day from 1960 to 2005 (birth hour drawn by a fixed-seed random sample), 16,802 charts in all. These figures describe how chart structures are distributed; they do not measure anyone’s parents' fortunes or family bonds.

Other major stars in the Parents Palace